I must say I'm rather glad I am not living in those times that the fairy tale was written for! I would be constantly in trouble, if not hung for a witch or something.

Pat
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I just watched that episode and I don't get where you see that. She asked to be with him after Spirko took the pictures. Vincent denied her. So I am confused."What Rough Beast" prove that Catherine is still not ready to be "truly together" with him, as she puts i
Yes, you got the part where Beauty left her family and everything she had ever known behind to offer herself to a bestial monster, expecting him to do with her as he pleased...not as she pleased. But there's that whole bestiality taboo (if your mate is a monster/animal, then what does that make you?) which does not promise an improvement in Beauty's status, and an expected life in the magic realm with no human companions, and the eternal struggle to face one's fears and make good choices in even the most unexpected of circumstances, and the Beast's requests that she wed him, which meant giving up all hope of an ordinary life with an ordinary man...Pat wrote:PS It strikes me that another difference between the fairy tale and our show is that there is no barrier between them to be together. The Beast lives in a mansion, where Beauty now resides, and whether she marries him or not, her status doesn't really change. If she marries him, her status actually improves. Neither must sacrifice for the other to either be together or keep the other safe (beyond the sacrifice that Beauty made to originally go). Catherine is not so fortunate.
Did you mean from this her perceived safety from him? Yes, the space in a mansion means distance, which could have kept them from getting to know each other (other than dinnertime), so the underlying concerns are there for each of them.Her safety as an equal to him and as a complete human person unto herself were at stake.
Could it not be that Catherine had some hope that if she were Above yet, maybe she could do something to stop it from happening? So torn between wanting to be with him, particularly at this horrendous time, but holding out hope that she could do something, ever the " intrepid Catherine that she was. Go with him, or try. That could explain the 'I don't know what to do," comment.she would not have stood there, agonized, torn between the two worlds...and then ultimately choose to part with Vincent and return to her life Above. "I don't know what to do," would not have been uttered.
...And yet Vincent understands himself better than any other character in the story does. How can he explain to others what no one else can remotely understand even if (and when) he tries?Pat wrote:How can you explain to others what you don't understand yourself? And when will you know that your understanding is enough?
Yes, but this is a relative comparison to those within the story. He stills seems to have a hunger to know what he is, to better understand his 'Other' when it overtakes him, not so much in his protection mode, but when he begins to become overwhelmed by trying to integrate his humanity (whether innate or taught) with the events his Beast has done. He has no other for a measure for how things should be, or would be in similar circumstances. In this respect, he still has his aloneness and always will.And yet Vincent understands himself better than any other character in the story does.
S quite eloquently addressed this. All my conversational heart desires is that he keep trying, perhaps in a few more words than is his norm. Brevity may sometimes be misunderstood. Because without the attempt to explain, failure by others to understand anything is guaranteed. I prefer the odds of some understanding getting through rather than none at all.How can he explain to others what no one else can remotely understand even if (and when) he tries?
*sad smile*Pat wrote:All my conversational heart desires is that he keep trying, perhaps in a few more words than is his norm. Brevity may sometimes be misunderstood. Because without the attempt to explain, failure by others to understand anything is guaranteed. I prefer the odds of some understanding getting through rather than none at all.
I guess as a viewer, I would like to understand more so while their short hand communication works for them, it leaves me in the dark! I don't mind a little mystery, mind you. But I have some gaping holes here that I would have liked a little more rationale for. We are left imagining that they must have had other conversations about X, Y, and Z, we just never got to see/hear them. Because no couple together that long would not have discussed X, Y, and Z. I just wanted to be there when they did!To ask them to speak up and speak out in a manner that suits our preferences rather than theirs would be to diminish the delicate construction of who these characters are and how they interact.
No, I don't think we are. Uniqueness, per se, is certainly not a handicap. Some who are unique may wish to claim it as a handicap (not healthily, mind you) and yes, many others may treat it as such in ignorance. And I agree that VincentI just want to make sure that we are not treating Vincent's unique reality, aloneness included, quietude also included, like some kind of handicap that he does not know what to do with.
I agree wholeheartedly that Vincent beats, hands down, the Beast in this version of the fairy tale!understands more about himself and human nature (and bestial nature) than do many ordinary people in the real world.