Kari wrote:...which makes his lack of a sex life with Catherine even more sad...
*Zara murmurs, Perhaps it depends on how one defines sex life...*
Anyway, a thousand welcomes, Kari. You bring up great, great questions.
Kari said: Now, as for the comments here about Jamie and Pascal and Mouse and Father acting strangely:
I agree they are acting differently. But why?
Sobi said: Did you notice that it's only in this nightmare that V is found "in the garbage", behind St Vincent's hospital, while all the other times it's mentioned in the other episodes, they just found him "near" the hospital? It’s his fear to having been rejected that is speaking there.
Sobi said: I confess I never understood what the heck the title means. Help?
Sobi said: Why did Catherine kill him, in the end? A plot device? Not only, I think: it's the reply to his soul searching: there is no life for him, if C is not the other part of his soul. BUT also the tunnel dwellers in Paracelsus version killed him, as if there were no life for him beyond the tunnels in the version he knows. So?
So, Catherine, the true Catherine, kisses him awake, and the dream remains just a dream, which points out the choices he has to make, but he has to make them awake. And the two of them. With love.
Zara quoted me: - came from: "VINCENT-FATHER - Wanting something for yourself? You must put yourself last. Humility always, eh?"
The dream derives its tension from the genuine uncertainty involved.
I had not thought of structuring the scene summary this way. But I'm also not thinking in terms of internal/external forces. If it's a dream, it's all internal.
Pat wrote:Granted, but uncertainty is not the same thing as not being safe.
Pat wrote: May I ask you to do your framework on the rest of the show?
Myself, I maintain a private interpretation that I'm saving for a fanfiction tale, someday...
Pat wrote:Your way is much shorter than mine!
Action = Vincent suffers the exhausting emotional backlash after his dream of risky change is utterly extinguished
Costly Choice = Vincent decides to resist his dark thoughts and feelings at the expense of damaging/deranging his inmost haven of light
Motivation = One of Vincent's chief priorities is to fend off despair whenever it encroaches upon his peace of mind; here he finds that his anger is insufficient to ward off the effects of grief and a fear of self-betrayal, so the core of Vincentself provides a rescue by riddling him deeper into his psyche, in order to refocus Vincent's energy into a different outlet for personal growth....
Pat wrote:Could you explain more about the choice? I understand resisting dark thoughts/feelings. What I am not clear how you see things is in the 'inmost haven of light.'
Pat wrote:What leads you to conclude that a chief priority of Vincent's is to fend off despair?
Pat wrote:As I read this, the thought popped into my head that perhaps Vincent sees this dream as a warning, and while you indicated in the earlier scenes he was wanting to move the relationship at a faster pace (were that it happened!), the dream calls him to again hesitate and slow down the relationship after Catherine has made the commitment to him. Is the relationship turning too real for him to handle at this time?
Pat wrote:...you indicated in the earlier scenes he was wanting to move the relationship at a faster pace (were that it happened!), the dream calls him to again hesitate and slow down the relationship after Catherine has made the commitment to him.
No. I tried to indicate that Vincent's psyche feels ready for a new growth spurt in the direction of adventure and novelty.
The psyche-pieces talking to Vincent bring up the issues of curiosity, fun, joy, and personal growth in Vincent's capacity to risk his present well-being in the hope of gaining future well-being.
I fear I am failing